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	<title>Comments on: Can We Be Moral Without God?</title>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://www.sourapplesblog.com/2009/03/12/can-we-be-moral-without-god/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My take is that morality is a human construct and subject to change&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I obviously agree. To me, it's terrifying to designate the 'source of morality' as an entity which we may never understand.

The &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem" rel="nofollow"&gt;trolley car problems&lt;/a&gt; are a series of hypothetical situations presented to subjects of thought experiments. They involve various permutations of the basic situation 'a trolley is going to hit people, what do you do?' In one example, you have the option of pulling a switch to redirect the car onto another track, where it will kill one person instead of five. In another, you have to push a fat man onto the track.

They are sometimes referenced to show that people have a universal moral sense, because the many different subjects usually agree on what is an ethical course of action in each particular circumstance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My take is that morality is a human construct and subject to change</p></blockquote>
<p>I obviously agree. To me, it&#8217;s terrifying to designate the &#8217;source of morality&#8217; as an entity which we may never understand.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem" rel="nofollow">trolley car problems</a> are a series of hypothetical situations presented to subjects of thought experiments. They involve various permutations of the basic situation &#8216;a trolley is going to hit people, what do you do?&#8217; In one example, you have the option of pulling a switch to redirect the car onto another track, where it will kill one person instead of five. In another, you have to push a fat man onto the track.</p>
<p>They are sometimes referenced to show that people have a universal moral sense, because the many different subjects usually agree on what is an ethical course of action in each particular circumstance.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 02:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other side of the question is – can God be moral without us?  Who brought God to the table?  Does he sit down with you every night at dinner and instruct you how to live?  I don't think so.  People who you’ve never met have had a “vision” or “sense” of God and have passed that vision on through teachings or writings and some take that as gospel.  But does it come from God or from humans who believe they have been instructed by God?  Every “God message” has come through a fellow human who has his/her own experience coloring the message.  There are “smiting” Gods and there are “forgiving, turn the other cheek” Gods.  Will the real God please stand up.

I know this blogger personally and he is one of the most moral and righteous “do no harm” people I have ever met.  He is also a “born again” atheist, brought up in a mostly fundamental Christian setting.  Does his moral sense derive from his atheism or is it a vestige of his Christian background?  I don't know, but I can't imagine him being any other way.  It's certainly possible his moral sense is a product of his Christian upbringing.

But in any case, it's still not “God” dictating his morality but the interpretation given to “God talk” by his early teachers, plus his own logical and instinctive assessment of the value of certain behavior.

My take is that morality is a human construct and subject to change.  As is our concept of a higher being.  That doesn’t mean there isn’t one, just that we are not capable of perceiving its totality.  We are only capable of noticing our own characteristics and calling them “God.”

PS – What’s a “trolley car test”?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other side of the question is – can God be moral without us?  Who brought God to the table?  Does he sit down with you every night at dinner and instruct you how to live?  I don&#8217;t think so.  People who you’ve never met have had a “vision” or “sense” of God and have passed that vision on through teachings or writings and some take that as gospel.  But does it come from God or from humans who believe they have been instructed by God?  Every “God message” has come through a fellow human who has his/her own experience coloring the message.  There are “smiting” Gods and there are “forgiving, turn the other cheek” Gods.  Will the real God please stand up.</p>
<p>I know this blogger personally and he is one of the most moral and righteous “do no harm” people I have ever met.  He is also a “born again” atheist, brought up in a mostly fundamental Christian setting.  Does his moral sense derive from his atheism or is it a vestige of his Christian background?  I don&#8217;t know, but I can&#8217;t imagine him being any other way.  It&#8217;s certainly possible his moral sense is a product of his Christian upbringing.</p>
<p>But in any case, it&#8217;s still not “God” dictating his morality but the interpretation given to “God talk” by his early teachers, plus his own logical and instinctive assessment of the value of certain behavior.</p>
<p>My take is that morality is a human construct and subject to change.  As is our concept of a higher being.  That doesn’t mean there isn’t one, just that we are not capable of perceiving its totality.  We are only capable of noticing our own characteristics and calling them “God.”</p>
<p>PS – What’s a “trolley car test”?</p>
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